> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://news.transitionnetwork.org/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # Transition Technologist meeting notes 17 April 2014 - URL: https://news.transitionnetwork.org/transition-technologist-meeting-notes-17-april-2014/ - Published: 2014-04-23T23:00:00.000Z - Updated: 2020-09-02T15:15:02.000Z - Author: Transition Network international - Tags: Blog, #Import 2026-03-17 Ttech meet 17/04/14 Bristol 13:00 – 17:00 Ben Chris Ed Sam Actions \~\~\~\~\~\~ Ed: edit procurement principles google doc ALL create invoices for meeting to cover 4 hours meeting and travel cost (Ben include mileage, Chris train ticket) and send to Ed with TNv3 budget reference Ed: create new TRAC milestone TNv3 Ed: create new TRAC ticket: ‘meetings’ in milestone TNv3 Ed: follow up use case project management tool Introduction \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ Check in Set agenda and times Updates for 2014/15 \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ TN – TN strategy – Web strategy – TNv3 – Budgets – maintenance, hosting, IT, development – People Web Architects \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ Chris: Sole full time worker in co-op Alan – deeper tech 1 day per week and evenings Jonathan and Adam: 1 day per week each Sheffield data centre powered by Good Energy Partnership with Iceland Organisation 1984.is WA got big earlier – then hiatus with some management issues Been a co-op for 3 years Turnover low – paying selves on UK living wage Jan/Feb very bad – no payments March onwards – now paying selves Want to be able to invest in own infrastructure Lot of shared hosting: VS loses money Hourly sys admin: makes money Plan for next six months: – merged with eco-host – been quite expensive – lots more clients but not much more work – Chris needs more hourly paid sys ad work – happier at SSH and command line – Child rights: 40 hours of setting up web hosting Also host lots of activist and radical sites AGM in a month or so – consider the business model (hosting vs services) Ben \~\~\~ Fixtheweb: big migration D6-7 Smaller clients Likes bigger clients General – since working on TN – – much more comfortable using github and version control repository is using features, drush, running up quick sites – better more systematic workflows – holding three separate sites on github – 1 code, – 1 migration, design, playing with ideas – 1 content Home educating dad – flexibility is a priority – 2-3 days a week working max Sam \~\~\~\~ SPAN: Drupal6 site support and maintain TN: support 2 days per week Really want to start a tree nursery – ideal 3 days per week computer work 2 days per week non-computer work Discussions \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ [Procurement principles](https://archive25.transitionnetwork.org/blogs/ed-mitchell/2014-04/transition-technologist-meeting-notes-17-april-2014?ref=news.transitionnetwork.org) – discussed and google doc annotated – All really like the open nature of working (TRAC particularly) ACTION: Ed to edit procurement principles google doc Lead Developer – process discussed and agreed – group happy for Ed to decide on shortlist, and take part in one group interview Lead Developer process – w/c 21/4: shortlist – w/c 28/4: contact suitable devs to proceed – w/c 5/5: code sample, favourite piece of own documentation, website example for other tech to look at – w/c 12/5 and 19/5: Skype interview Dev with Ed + programmer + staff member (?) – w/c 26/5: Group Skype with Ttechs – 29/5: Decision Group Skype conversation rough agenda – introduction – things they’ve done – code management topic – what’s their best bit of documentation – direction of drupal and fashions – what are the next big steps for drupal (e.g. using views and rules, or CRM?) TNv3 – big picture drawn up with mind map – lots of sucking of teeth – big question around CRM: can we do this with Drupal or do we need CRM? – Group happy to contract to a CRM consultant to assist with decision (with question: do we \*need\* it?) – other conversations – all Agreed the lead developer needs to be part of the discussions – All Agreed: two more meetings: 1 introductory – 1 hackathon group f2f meet for TNv3 devs Hosting Software and processes – BOA unpopular! Suitable for businesses with many many small VS, whereas Tn is one big one (albeit with some IIRS installations) – Maintenance has been very expensive – been a lot of work to de-mystify it, and each update – Very likely to give BOA up; conversations to proceed with lead developer Code management software and processes – Aegir is unpopular! – All would prefer to use drush and git alone without Aegir – All happy to re-consider process – discussions also ongoing with Paul on emails – Code management process and tools to be discussed with lead developer – Very likely to give Aegir up Next steps \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ Choose a developer using the process we’ve agreed Discuss web hosting software and code management with lead developer BOA (and aegir) hasn’t been efficacious in our context – has actually over-complicated our lives without any obvious benefits Next Ttech meets: 1\. management 2\. hackathon receipts: Chris. email statement with mileage from Ben. 4 hours for all New milestone TRAC: TNv3 ALL add time for meeting to new TRAC ticket: meetings (TNv3) Ed follow up use case based project management tool – something that is openly available Ed tidy up procurement document